An exploration of AI, human intelligence, dangers of cognitive atrophy, and lines of flight in response to territorialisation. Welcoming the creator of the Cynefin Framework and iconoclastic generalist thinker Dave Snowden, who argues that AI represents artificial or algorithmic inference rather than true intelligence. He joins Tim Adalin for a dialogue that also broaches metacrisis vs polycrisis, religion and identity, economic and political systems, warfare and complexity.