E123| Men, Women, and War w/ Pamela von Sabljar, Adriana Forte, Simon van der Els & Tim Adalin
What if the feminine also calls for war? Exploring the primal, cultural, and psychological dimensions of war through the interplay of masculine and feminine energies. Pamela von Sabljar, Adriana Forte, Simon van der Els and Tim Adalin continue Voicecraft’s series exploring the meaning of the feminine and masculine.
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Summary
This conversation delves into the multifaceted nature of war, exploring its psychological, cultural, and instinctual dimensions. The speakers discuss the roles of masculinity and femininity in the context of war, the nature of violence, and the importance of listening in conversations about conflict. They also examine the primal instincts that drive humans towards war and the potential for a more conscious engagement with these energies. The dialogue highlights the complexities of responsibility and co-creation in narratives surrounding war, emphasizing the need for a deeper understanding of both the masculine and feminine contributions to conflict. This conversation delves into the intricate dynamics between men and women, exploring the concept of the human species as a multicellular organism. It discusses the roles of the matriarch in society, the biological underpinnings of violence and testosterone, and the nature of war. The speakers reflect on the importance of collective consciousness and the need to retrieve the energy of the matriarch to guide future generations. The dialogue emphasizes the interconnectedness of human experiences and the lessons that can be learned from both peace and conflict.
Keywords
war, masculinity, femininity, violence, cultural impact, psychological effects, primal instincts, accommodation, embodiment, dark feminine, multicellular organism, matriarch, violence, testosterone, human dynamics, gender roles, war, societal structures, feminine energy, collective consciousness
Chapters
00:03 - War as a Universal Rhythm
Introduces war as a persistent backdrop in modern life, inspired by the notion that it inevitably touches everyone.
02:19 - Gendered Perspectives on War
Questions how war manifests differently across masculine and feminine experiences, beyond traditional combat roles.
03:50 - War’s Creative Destruction
Explores the paradox of war as both destructive and generative, drawing on the idea that it “fathers all things” and using ant colonies as a metaphor.
07:09 - Primal Ecstasy in Violence
Highlights the unspoken pleasure in aggression, proposing that channeling this energy could serve life through “generative brutality.”
12:36 - War as Human Nature
Considers whether war is intrinsic to humanity, suggesting that embracing rather than resisting it might transform its expression.
20:21 - Instinct vs. Reaction
Distinguishes between primal, instinctual violence and reactive, shadow-driven violence, emphasizing conscious choice in the latter.
23:33 - War as Embodied Energy
Frames war as a physical outlet for energetic imbalance, introducing “shadow war” as a subtle, pervasive force in culture.
29:41 - Feminine Accommodation and Conflict
Redefines the “dark feminine” as a pattern of over-accommodation, suggesting its release could realign energy flow.
47:50 - Cultural Reinforcement of Aggression
Examines how societal values, influenced by gender dynamics, perpetuate a “killers vs. losers” mindset.
55:30 - The Matriarch’s Role
Advocates for reviving the matriarch archetype—a collective feminine energy—as a moral guide attuned to life’s cycles.
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Adriana is a cultural architect, philosopher, and writer dedicated to bringing the cyclical nature of women’s minds into collective awareness. Through dialogue, writing, workshops, retreats, online group work, and one-on-one mentoring, she aims to create spaces for provocative thinking, reflection and transformation.
Above all, she’s a mother to two amazing girls, a partner to an awesome guy, and an apprentice gardener living off-grid in a community in Australia.
She has a substack where she posts articles, reflections and holds occasional group conversations: https://theclab.substack.com/
Check out C-lab's youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@thec-lab/videos
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Simon van der Els is a student of the invisible realm. He holds a PhD title in the empirical tradition of molecular microbiology. He also explores the subjective realm of shamanism, as a way of re-discovering the interiority of the living cosmos, and assisting in healing of Gaia. He enjoys time in nature, dance and other sensory embodied experiences. Dialogue is one of the practices in which he can encounter flowstate, and this is one of his favorite activities.
Connect with Simon @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/simon-van-der-els-66434b231/ -
Pamela von Sabljar is a new breed of speaker, facilitator, and mentor working at the evolutionary edge. She practices dialoguing, sensing, creating, and leading from this ever-emergent edge. She calls this Living from Eros.
Pamela has 25 years experience in leadership, personal development, and behavioral science. She has worked with businesses, public sectors, and private individuals specializing in personal, group, and organizational development. In addition, she has founded several systemic change projects and leadership programs in advanced self-awareness and self-leadership.
Find out how to contact and work with her @ https://www.pamelavonsabljar.com/
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Tim is the founder of Voicecraft and a philosopher with a focus on the relation between participation and transformation. You can connect with Tim individually @ https://www.timadalin.xyz
On X @ https://x.com/tim_adalin
And on LinkedIn @ https://www.linkedin.com/in/tim-adalin/
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